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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;copyright was designed by distributors, to subsidize distributors, not creators.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Chiskop.

I think your conception of how open source / free software programmers are motivated isn&#039;t accurate, actually.  Many of them see what they do as a form of expression (and some, in fact, have explicitly argued that in court, as part of free speech cases).  I know I certainly feel that way about it, and I&#039;ve been making a living as a free software programmer for more than a decade.

I&#039;ve never heard a programmer (unless you are one) espouse the position you describe, re science/math vs engineering.

One of the points I&#039;m trying to make in the article is that the mere fact of being &quot;the artist&quot; shouldn&#039;t automatically entitle someone to make decisions about who can copy what.  Some artists may be in favor of sharing and some may not; but just because someone asks for a monopoly doesn&#039;t mean it makes sense to give it to them.  When *you* share something with your friend, or *you* make a translation of a text that you have your own copy of, why should some third party have the right to tell you you can&#039;t do that?

Finally, re advertisers: I&#039;m not as pessimistic as you are :-), but if you are right, then that&#039;s an argument against copyright restrictions anyway.  After all, advertising is a non-copyright model -- i.e., broadcast television doesn&#039;t make its money from royalties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Chiskop.</p>
<p>I think your conception of how open source / free software programmers are motivated isn&#8217;t accurate, actually.  Many of them see what they do as a form of expression (and some, in fact, have explicitly argued that in court, as part of free speech cases).  I know I certainly feel that way about it, and I&#8217;ve been making a living as a free software programmer for more than a decade.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard a programmer (unless you are one) espouse the position you describe, re science/math vs engineering.</p>
<p>One of the points I&#8217;m trying to make in the article is that the mere fact of being &#8220;the artist&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t automatically entitle someone to make decisions about who can copy what.  Some artists may be in favor of sharing and some may not; but just because someone asks for a monopoly doesn&#8217;t mean it makes sense to give it to them.  When *you* share something with your friend, or *you* make a translation of a text that you have your own copy of, why should some third party have the right to tell you you can&#8217;t do that?</p>
<p>Finally, re advertisers: I&#8217;m not as pessimistic as you are <img src='http://blog.ninapaley.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , but if you are right, then that&#8217;s an argument against copyright restrictions anyway.  After all, advertising is a non-copyright model &#8212; i.e., broadcast television doesn&#8217;t make its money from royalties.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiskop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiskop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look, i admire this writing and its intentions but i have serious contentions:

comparing creative works with free software is not right. The open source movement is about computer science being recognised as a &quot;science&quot; not engineering. Programmers see it as sort of like mathematics. Hence programmers see it as insane that a mathematical solution i.e. Software, should be sold! programming is a logical solution for a problem. mathematicians don&#039;t sell their solutions for whatever equation why should programmers?

But creative works are by no means a science or math. They should be sold for a price. yes things could be better and we could share freely, but what about those vocal artist who are not keen on any of this free sharing? i am not talking about the rich ones.

in the end, where money is concerned. there&#039;ll always be a gatekeeper. even now as the digital revolution is sinking in, gatekeepers are organising themselves: advertisers. they will decide what gets money and what doesn&#039;t. not because they are dumb gatekeepers, no, because the majority of people don&#039;t care about great art/ideas. 

Write a great book with breathtaking ideas. if the majority of people won&#039;t find it interesting, we don&#039;t publish. decide to give away your book for free and then few people will actually read it. marority rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look, i admire this writing and its intentions but i have serious contentions:</p>
<p>comparing creative works with free software is not right. The open source movement is about computer science being recognised as a &#8220;science&#8221; not engineering. Programmers see it as sort of like mathematics. Hence programmers see it as insane that a mathematical solution i.e. Software, should be sold! programming is a logical solution for a problem. mathematicians don&#8217;t sell their solutions for whatever equation why should programmers?</p>
<p>But creative works are by no means a science or math. They should be sold for a price. yes things could be better and we could share freely, but what about those vocal artist who are not keen on any of this free sharing? i am not talking about the rich ones.</p>
<p>in the end, where money is concerned. there&#8217;ll always be a gatekeeper. even now as the digital revolution is sinking in, gatekeepers are organising themselves: advertisers. they will decide what gets money and what doesn&#8217;t. not because they are dumb gatekeepers, no, because the majority of people don&#8217;t care about great art/ideas. </p>
<p>Write a great book with breathtaking ideas. if the majority of people won&#8217;t find it interesting, we don&#8217;t publish. decide to give away your book for free and then few people will actually read it. marority rules.</p>
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