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	<title>Comments on: Your Children Are Not Your Children</title>
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		<title>By: SriMathe</title>
		<link>http://blog.ninapaley.com/2008/12/30/your-children-are-not-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-29226</link>
		<dc:creator>SriMathe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are a very smart person!</description>
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		<title>By: john f w</title>
		<link>http://blog.ninapaley.com/2008/12/30/your-children-are-not-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-22848</link>
		<dc:creator>john f w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention Lard Dice, whose hits are too numerous to mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention Lard Dice, whose hits are too numerous to mention.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://blog.ninapaley.com/2008/12/30/your-children-are-not-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-22775</link>
		<dc:creator>James Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 04:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the original post on product, which I&#039;m not sure covers the whole of Peanuts due to Schulz still nailing it once or twice in his later years-  Now that Peanuts is no longer in production it should have a few years left before its copyright expires.  It was in use most of Schulz&#039;s entire life and now it&#039;s not anymore, so the clock should be ticking.  Seems fair to me, at any rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the original post on product, which I&#8217;m not sure covers the whole of Peanuts due to Schulz still nailing it once or twice in his later years-  Now that Peanuts is no longer in production it should have a few years left before its copyright expires.  It was in use most of Schulz&#8217;s entire life and now it&#8217;s not anymore, so the clock should be ticking.  Seems fair to me, at any rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Doyle</title>
		<link>http://blog.ninapaley.com/2008/12/30/your-children-are-not-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-22719</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to add:  Fats Domino has nothing to do with the Twist.  Confusing Fats Domino with Chubby Checker is just wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to add:  Fats Domino has nothing to do with the Twist.  Confusing Fats Domino with Chubby Checker is just wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Caprio</title>
		<link>http://blog.ninapaley.com/2008/12/30/your-children-are-not-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-22624</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Caprio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo!  Luckily technology can never really be legislated, and people will just keep coming up with bigger and better replicators.  The will of the people can&#039;t be denied forever, only delayed for a little bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo!  Luckily technology can never really be legislated, and people will just keep coming up with bigger and better replicators.  The will of the people can&#8217;t be denied forever, only delayed for a little bit.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://blog.ninapaley.com/2008/12/30/your-children-are-not-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-22617</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose if the Star Trek replicator ever comes into being, the Faberges will try to litigate it out of existence, to preserve their old business model. The Faberges will have to time-travel to the Future to sue the Star Trek people, but hey, it&#039;s Science Fiction. Just like how Big Media time-travels back to the 1920&#039;s, to give the composers of that era a greater incentive to create works based on copyright extensions of today. Which is why we have so many more 1920&#039;s-era creative works since the Sonny Bono Act was passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose if the Star Trek replicator ever comes into being, the Faberges will try to litigate it out of existence, to preserve their old business model. The Faberges will have to time-travel to the Future to sue the Star Trek people, but hey, it&#8217;s Science Fiction. Just like how Big Media time-travels back to the 1920&#8217;s, to give the composers of that era a greater incentive to create works based on copyright extensions of today. Which is why we have so many more 1920&#8217;s-era creative works since the Sonny Bono Act was passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Caprio</title>
		<link>http://blog.ninapaley.com/2008/12/30/your-children-are-not-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-22615</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Caprio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what happens if it&#039;s not a copy or an image of the Faberge egg, but a Star Trek replicator type exact duplicate of the egg?  No difference from the original, except that the person holding the original says &quot;this is the original&quot;.  That does make the egg less rare and more popular, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what happens if it&#8217;s not a copy or an image of the Faberge egg, but a Star Trek replicator type exact duplicate of the egg?  No difference from the original, except that the person holding the original says &#8220;this is the original&#8221;.  That does make the egg less rare and more popular, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I don&#039;t think the Faberge egg needs to go into a museum. But I do think if someone wants to make knock-off Faberge copies, they should. Copies don&#039;t diminish the value of the original Faberge egg, which is one-of-a-kind. This is the difference between &quot;fine art&quot; and &quot;popular art.&quot; Fine art refers to unique, one-of-a-kind, irreplaceable objects like paintings and Stradivarius violins and Faberge eggs. Often private ownership preserves those things better than public ownership does. I&#039;d like all my original &quot;Nina&#039;s Adventures&quot; strips to eventually be owned by individuals or well-endowed foundations, in the hopes they&#039;d be best preserved that way.

But the &lt;i&gt;images&lt;/i&gt; of those comics are &quot;popular art,&quot; and I want those to be free. Images of Faberge eggs should be free, so we all know what Faberge eggs are (and it is we who assign meaning to Faberge eggs, and give them cultural significance). Charles Schultz&#039;s original drawings can be privately owned even while the images, which belong to popular culture, circulate freely.

If I communalize (remove from your private possession) your Faberge egg, you don&#039;t have it any more. If I copy it, we both have one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I don&#8217;t think the Faberge egg needs to go into a museum. But I do think if someone wants to make knock-off Faberge copies, they should. Copies don&#8217;t diminish the value of the original Faberge egg, which is one-of-a-kind. This is the difference between &#8220;fine art&#8221; and &#8220;popular art.&#8221; Fine art refers to unique, one-of-a-kind, irreplaceable objects like paintings and Stradivarius violins and Faberge eggs. Often private ownership preserves those things better than public ownership does. I&#8217;d like all my original &#8220;Nina&#8217;s Adventures&#8221; strips to eventually be owned by individuals or well-endowed foundations, in the hopes they&#8217;d be best preserved that way.</p>
<p>But the <i>images</i> of those comics are &#8220;popular art,&#8221; and I want those to be free. Images of Faberge eggs should be free, so we all know what Faberge eggs are (and it is we who assign meaning to Faberge eggs, and give them cultural significance). Charles Schultz&#8217;s original drawings can be privately owned even while the images, which belong to popular culture, circulate freely.</p>
<p>If I communalize (remove from your private possession) your Faberge egg, you don&#8217;t have it any more. If I copy it, we both have one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Caprio</title>
		<link>http://blog.ninapaley.com/2008/12/30/your-children-are-not-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-22601</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Caprio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently had a discussion with an artist friend who was raised by Communist theorists who said: &quot;An artist who is a commie is about as misguided as a Faberge-egg-maker who is a commie.&quot;  And I think the spirit of that statement is that anyone who creates art has to realize that the work of their passion is not a commodity, and is not just a product of labor, but has inherent aesthetic and cultural value and uniqueness that defies any conversion into a commodity.  It has a value greater than the sum of its parts, and goes above and beyond its monetary value.

In other words, you can&#039;t have something that has the special value of a Faberge egg and also give everyone in society a Faberge egg, because part of its value is its luxury status and rarity.  But at some point, the Faberge egg should ideally go into the possession of a museum so everyone can enjoy it and understand its cultural significance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently had a discussion with an artist friend who was raised by Communist theorists who said: &#8220;An artist who is a commie is about as misguided as a Faberge-egg-maker who is a commie.&#8221;  And I think the spirit of that statement is that anyone who creates art has to realize that the work of their passion is not a commodity, and is not just a product of labor, but has inherent aesthetic and cultural value and uniqueness that defies any conversion into a commodity.  It has a value greater than the sum of its parts, and goes above and beyond its monetary value.</p>
<p>In other words, you can&#8217;t have something that has the special value of a Faberge egg and also give everyone in society a Faberge egg, because part of its value is its luxury status and rarity.  But at some point, the Faberge egg should ideally go into the possession of a museum so everyone can enjoy it and understand its cultural significance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://blog.ninapaley.com/2008/12/30/your-children-are-not-your-children/comment-page-1/#comment-22597</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then you&#039;re &quot;creating&quot; a product or commodity or property, not Art (although Art can slip in to commodities, and commodities into Art - the  boundaries are far from clear).

I&#039;m all for commodities. I like Property, and Free Markets. But not everything is or should be a commodity. Humans, for example. Commodified humans are called &lt;i&gt;slaves&lt;/i&gt;, and while slavery has had its periods of popularity over the years, most people wouldn&#039;t want to enslave their children (though some parents do a little; those boundaries aren&#039;t totally clear either). Commodified Art is called...well, some people just call it art, but I think the name should be qualified somehow. Suggestions? I seem to be using capital-A Art for Art, and lower-case-a for commodified art, product, or property, but we could do better.

And if you&#039;d rather create a product than Art, go for it! And raise your kids however you want, too. I&#039;m just sayin&#039; if your main concern is the life and well-being of the Art or the kid, you might choose not to enslave it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you&#8217;re &#8220;creating&#8221; a product or commodity or property, not Art (although Art can slip in to commodities, and commodities into Art &#8211; the  boundaries are far from clear).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for commodities. I like Property, and Free Markets. But not everything is or should be a commodity. Humans, for example. Commodified humans are called <i>slaves</i>, and while slavery has had its periods of popularity over the years, most people wouldn&#8217;t want to enslave their children (though some parents do a little; those boundaries aren&#8217;t totally clear either). Commodified Art is called&#8230;well, some people just call it art, but I think the name should be qualified somehow. Suggestions? I seem to be using capital-A Art for Art, and lower-case-a for commodified art, product, or property, but we could do better.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;d rather create a product than Art, go for it! And raise your kids however you want, too. I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217; if your main concern is the life and well-being of the Art or the kid, you might choose not to enslave it.</p>
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