Hey TERFs and Trannies! That’s my signature greeting on Heterodorx, the new podcast I’m doing with Corinna Cohn. Our first episode was recorded Friday evening, after I’d biked 30 miles and hiked two, so I wasn’t at my most articulate. We had some technical issues, including my cat, Lola, rubbing her head against my mic, causing loud horrible noises we couldn’t remove due to recording everything on a single track. Our next episode should be better. Still, I like this first foray, and hope you listen.

Heterodorx podcast

Heterodorx web site


Author: Nina Paley

Animator. Director. Artist. Scapegoat.

8 thoughts on “Heterodorx”

  1. I am persuaded that you two rock! Seriously. You resonate with me, another “bitter Gen Xer”, and graduate from Purdue Cal! Corinna, Allies!!! Keep those rants coming! I wish I’d known y’all when I lived and went to school in Da region. I’d do ya! Both of ya! And then buy you breakfast at a local Greek restaurant!
    Seriously. I really appreciate your perspectives. Appreciate that you, Corinna, inhabit yourself and don’t need Nina or any other person to tell you who you are. I hope to be able to support you on and on…

  2. Thank you, you two! Your conversations with each other and with guests have been invaluable to me!! I’m a Mom struggling to maintain a relationship with my (natal female) daughter who is currently embracing an ideology that totally take advantage of her current need to try to control how everyone else perceives her, rather than just learning to accept and love her unique self. But to her, right now, I’m just a despicable transphobe. I’m terrified of the material changes she’ll soon be making to her heretofore healthy body. I’ve shared with her your recent talk with Alice Dreger, in the hopes she’ll accept it as a peace offering, and maybe be willing to listen to the wisdom you three offer, as well as appreciate the humanity in each of your perspectives. Thank you for helping me deal with my own painful situation, without being tempted to become a radical militant (as so many parents watching their children be hurt by cultish ideologies can become) and avoid knee-jerk “hating on” artificial categories of other human beings. This I believe: We’re all human; and even those individuals who act maliciously are still usually incentivised to do what they do by their own pain – pain, with which it is possible – even for those victimized by them – to empathize.

  3. Hey, Nina and Corinna! I have been listening to an interview with an author of a book I intend to read (after I finish working through my teetering pile of Stock, Joyce, Hooven, etc.); but as I listen to this interview, I find myself intensely curious about how you two would react to some of the ideas, particularly towards the end, when they talk about theories of patriarchy and matriarchy being applied to evidence put forth by archeologists and anthropologists. Anyway, this book would probably provide a great deal of wonderful material for your conversations . . . The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity (David Wengrow), Michael Shermer Show (Skeptics) – https://youtu.be/GSo1XfGRoqM

    Virtual hugs! Heather

  4. Hey Nina and Corinna!!

    Fantastic interview with Ben Appel! Listening to his experience with Grad school brought this scene from Star Trek to mind:

    for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky

    I will now try to share your latest masterpiece of brilliant conversation with people I hope will become your new fans.


  5. I love the questions you asked on Twitter this week. (Suspended for ‘hate’ or I would reply there!)

    1. What would you do to reduce # of detransitioners?

    First, presume the dysphoric person is *not* trans (statistically likely). Offer un-risky, skill-building interventions first… Talk therapy for self exploration and empathy. Somatic Therapies for body awareness, Neurofeedback to help nudge the right brain toward regulation, DBT for distress tolerance.

    Zero risk to first trying these *regulating* interventions.

    My working theory is that early life events, losses, etc that cause ‘Developmental Trauma’ — has been rising, and that’s why we are seeing this spike in TG ID. Over time, we dropped species-specific parenting (breastfeed, co sleep, carry) for modern ways. But kids did not change…. and they are not getting enough modeling to reliably launch.

    Survivors of Developmental Trauma describe a broken/empty/”not real” feeling inside, that is very distressing and painful… I think this disturbing feeling is being ‘framed’ as “signals of a mismatched gender identity.” I think Gender is often a “designated issue” for people with a diffuse, nagging feeling of ‘wrongness’ due to developmental harms or lacks.

    2. Re young men and mass murder. These young men cannot self regulate *at all*. They lack conscience, another concept learned with in a trusting relationship. Early life is 100% about intimacy and relationships.

    People can hurt others rather than face their own hurt. Adults who were abused as kids can be full of rage, easily upset, & w no brakes. Or, they may implode; go into dissociated states. They can lack of conscience,/empathy.

    Loved, gently-treated, held and cuddled kids w decent role models are not going around shooting people.

    If we got rid of neglect and abuse, and gave young vulnerable parents better support / mentors, we could eradicate violence in a few generations’ time. We should teach child development in high school science and give practical and financial support to *parent* care for babies.

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